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David F. Hastings's avatar

Both perspectives are important and interesting, but I can't take the deep dive here on my phone. I hope to get back to the topic.

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"Truth happens because we observe it within the context of literate culture and appears to be absolute at that point. Whether anything is certainly true apart from any culture is ultimately a theological question."

This article ignores a much richer way to come to the same conclusion because it points to the science of how animal brains compute. "literate culture" and "context" in that case do lead to a "theological question" because there is a truth to how human brains compute ("literately" meaning using our completely unique natural language, also subsuming "culture") and as a neural network predicating machine (with any two word concepts one can predicate ... contextualize .. another). That is how we think, and the only way we can ever know the world or reality. It is fundamentally statistically, not logically. That is not theological at all. As Descartes argued quite clearly, and correctly. You are kind of correct, but not being a good scientist about it.

With Descartes contextualization is the brain that is computing truth for itself. That is fundamentally as a statistical predication engine which includes ways to recognize more certain truth within a predication context (viz., inductive context). Gödel was similarly noting the same thing by staying within deductive logic (where more context can reverse truths, always).

The only real truth is that "you are" ("I think therefore I am"). That must be real. But because of how we "think" -- i.e., our brains and all animal nervous systems compute, we can then reach agreements as to empirical agreements and logical conclusions but as statistical predication engines.

So, as a rather uneducated human, you are right that truth is always relative to the people who agree to it with empirical agreement on context. And, because our brains compute using the mechanisms we now know they use (based on empirical work that you evidently are unaware of), we can also nearly perfectly understand how to understand the limits of our knowledge of reality.

Here is the truth of how our brains compute, and proof of it as well, such as we can possibly know it. This is the ultimate but simple algorithmic filter on truth.

https://medium.com/liecatcher/how-your-brain-computes-41ebe7428ff9

To repeat my comment. You are right but you missed the science of why and so decided it was something mystical, which it isn't. Math and Physics have blinded you like it has blinded many people to asking the right questions about truth. Descartes had it right. Within your narrow viewpoint truth is, I guess, theological. I just call it statistical.

Here is a better way to think about basic science in general, from physics to the fundamentals of language neuroscience.

https://medium.com/liecatcher/fusing-fusion-and-unfusing-fission-204aaff62de8

So God does play dice, as Einstein feared. But we are more sure of it for truth than physics is sure it for reality. By Descartes reasoning.

https://medium.com/liecatcher/god-doesnt-play-dice-once-but-twice-d59045fcec13

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